Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 21 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 495 Today's Topics: Address of Atari Corp? (2 msgs) Any Panasonic 1123/1124 Owners Out There? (2 msgs) BBS HELP!!! Earlier monitor questions ESDI harddrive FAQ ? GEM/MC trouble... Gemini installation. Heat & Serve MiNT? Lowest price for a color ST? Mathematical clipping routine Midi Manager Maps for Cubase Problems upgrading to 4M (was Re: SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?) Problems with DC-RRUNREZ Rumours from ST Format. TeX, which do I get? (Now that I kno ULTIMATE ST SYSTEM FOR SALE (with additions)! (2 msgs) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Sep 91 18:44:25 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!ericom!exucom.exu.ericsson .se!news@uunet.uu.net (James Hague) Subject: Address of Atari Corp? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is the sort of question I really hate to post to the net, but I'm in the process of moving and can't find anything. Could someone please email me with Atari Corp's address? I believe it is in Sunnyvale... Thanks greatly! -- James Hague exuhag@exu.ericsson.se ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 19:28:32 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard Covert) Subject: Address of Atari Corp? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep19.184425.8071@exu.ericsson.se> exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes: >This is the sort of question I really hate to post to the net, but I'm >in the process of moving and can't find anything. Could someone please >email me with Atari Corp's address? I believe it is in Sunnyvale... Gee, I don't know but I think that Atari must be on the Moon cause I have my doubts about their sanity ( Lunatics ya know :-) ). But seriuosly they are in Sunnyvale CA. I even saw their office building several years ago when I happened to be out there for business. Ah yes, Sunnyvale Religious Atarian's Mecca!! Go there and pray to the Great Lords Tramiels!@! . . . . . more garbage for newserver . . . . -- Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 18:48:58 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mp s.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!pwp%iuvax.cs.indiana.edu@arizona .edu (Paul Purdom) Subject: Any Panasonic 1123/1124 Owners Out There? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am also interested in hearing about the use of 24 pin printers with the Atari ST computers. (TOS 1.4 if that makes a difference.) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 10:52:31 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!ukma!vlsi!ULKYVX.BITNET!R0MILL01@arizona.edu Subject: Any Panasonic 1123/1124 Owners Out There? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've done screen dumps with my 1124 in Proprinter mode but only if the control panel is resident. The dumps are slow and seem to miss lines or leave gaps now and again. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 08:46:39 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!@a rizona.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: BBS HELP!!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu BBS Name: ABK-BBS (Atari) Owner's Name: Lars-Erik 0sterud (sponsored by Atari Norway) Sysop's Name: Lars-Erik 0sterud (the '0' should be ASCII $B2) Phone Number: +47 2 13 26 59 Modem Type: TBK 9600 PLUS (Norwegian) Modem Speed: 300, 1200/75, 1200, 2400 and 9600 V.32, MNP5 Location: Oslo, Norway System Config: Atari 1040 STM, SF314, 20 MB SH205 HD BBS Software: MiniBBS (Public Domain self-made) Emulation: VT100, VT52 or TTY (no emulation) Special func: New mail can be ARCed and downloaded, ReadMail ST does this 100% automatic Xmodem, Ymodem (Xmodem-1K) and Zmodem transfers On-Line view/type from ARC/LHARC files Focus: Atari ST & TT, Programming, MIDI, DTP Home of MiniTerm, MiniBBS and ReadMail ST Home of Norway's Atari developers Home of ST-Klubben (disk-magazin) Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ 0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / __________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ / ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 10:57:19 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!ukma!vlsi!ULKYVX.BITNET!R0MILL01@arizona.edu Subject: Earlier monitor questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Thanks to all those who answered my earlier queries about monitors for the ST. It looks as though my best best for sharpness and high resolution for less than $1000.00 is to use a 640x400 res mono monitor on my vintage ST. Now I have new questions: 1. Is the Atari monochrome my best option, i.e. is its sharpness as good as I can expect from any monochrome in the <$1000.00 price range? 2. What are some other paper-white monos in the $200.00 - 500.00 range that are better? Beta Testing A note to those who offered to beta test my hypertext text editor--please send me a snail mail address so I can mail you some DSDD disks with the program and utilities. I have no FTP or GEnie access, so snail mail is the best option. Reply directly to the header address or try one of the following. _______________________________________________________________________________ Robert Royar Department of English New York Institute of Technology Old Westbury, New York 11568 BITNET: R0MILL01@ULKYVX CIS: 72347,2767 Voice: (516) 686-7751 Internet: 72347.2767@CompuServe.Com ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 14:00:58 GMT From: cme!lurch.cme.nist.gov@uunet.uu.net (Forrest Chang) Subject: ESDI harddrive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Anyone familiar with ESDI harddrives. I have a chance to buy a gargantuan ESDI seagate drive. Is it possible to hook this up my ST. I figure I'll have to get an atari->scsi host adpater and then a scsi to EDSI adapter if such a beast. Please excuse my ignorance here, I've never heard of ESDI. Thanx Fo ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 15:49:44 GMT From: timbuk.cray.com!cmfb@uunet.uu.net (Chris Bone) Subject: FAQ ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I've been out of the Atari world for a couple of years know, is there an archive site with a FAQ sheet? One thing I'd really like to know is - is the Unix TT available in the states yet, t what price, and is it any good! Regards, Chris Bone (cmfb@cray.com) -- __ / ) / / /_ __ o _ (__/ / /_/ (_/_/_)_ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 16:45:09 GMT From: bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@uunet.uu.net (Harry Karayiannis) Subject: GEM/MC trouble... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <"856*.S=data3d.O=aahs.PRMD=uninett.ADMD=..C=no."@MHS> data3d@aahs.no (Karl Anders 0ygard) writes: > ... [stuff deleted] >Anyway, the action goes something like this: > >Growbox >Form is drawn >The user interacts >Form is closed >Shrinkbox > >And this is where the fun starts. Now the windows behind the box is supposed >to be redrawn. They aren't. Instead they are redrawn when I put the _next_ >form on the screen. Wiping out my new form. > >The fact that removing the grow/shrinkbox effect makes the problem even >larger doesn't help very much. > >Has anyone experienced something like it? > I think the solution is to add 2 more lines in your code: 1. **Before** drawing the grow-box do a 'form_dial(FMD_START, 0,0,0,0, dlg_x, dlg_y, dlg_w, dlg_h)' This is supposed to reserve screen for your dialog. 2. **After** drawing the shrink-box do a 'form_dial(FMD_FINISH, 0,0,0,0, dlg_x, dlg_y, dlg_w, dlg_h)' This frees screen space, AND sends a REDRAW message (the values of the constants FMD_START and FMD_FINISH are 0 and 3 respectively) >Karl Anders Oygard - Karl A Oygard -- =============================================================================== Author of ATZENTA2 Harry Karayiannis ________E-Mail_________ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 09:51:39 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@arizona.edu Subject: Gemini installation. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <8718@squire.cme.nist.gov>, chang@cme.nist.gov (Forrest Chang) says: > > Is there an english installation doc for gemini? I recently >got gemini11.zoo off of a.a and I couldn't get it to work right. I've >deciphered some stuff about order in which to copy the files in one of >the docs, but I haven't had any luck in getting it to work. Get the official english version of Gemini 1.21 (or was it 1.2)? Should be available on Twitterpater. ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 12:11:30 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@ari zona.edu Subject: Heat & Serve MiNT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep19.151921.23444@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, cjherborth@rose.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Herborth) says: >[...stuff deleted...] >It'd be really great if the authors of Mupfel created a version that >threw out all the GEM support, and was MiNT'd instead... Ah well... >(Or if I could find something more like csh...) The new version of Mupfel will just run fine without GEM. You can use it from within the auto folder with MiNT. PERHAPS there will be support for some MiNT features -- when will we see MiNT 0.9?? ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 20:05:44 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!su nic!sics.se!eua.ericsson.se!ericom!exucom.exu.ericsson.se!news@arizona.edu (James Hague) Subject: Lowest price for a color ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I used to be heavily involved in the Atari world, but have been out of touch for quite a while. What is the going rate for a new bare-bones color ST system with one double sided drive? (I have a very specific use in mind.) Please respond via email. -- James Hague exuhag@exu.ericsson.se ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 09:06:09 GMT From: ogicse!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!bboychuk@uunet.uu.net (The Majestic Llama) Subject: Mathematical clipping routine To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'd be thankful if anybody could help me out with this: There are two points defining a line in the area (-long,-long),(long,long). I need anything outside the area (-short,-short),(short,short) clipped off, while preserving the slope of the line. I'm absolutely lousy at math and anybody who can point me in the direction of a solution would save me a sackful of grief. (Grief is measured in sackfuls. Frustration comes in bales and anger in pecks. Stupid emotional measurements come in threes.) Thanks for any help... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bboychuk@ucsd.edu "My GOD, did you see the power and majesty radiated by that llama?" "Well, of course I did, you fool..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 11:08:35 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!shapetc!koelman@uunet.uu.net (Ton Koelman) Subject: Midi Manager Maps for Cubase To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, Has anyone developed any interesting Midi Manager Maps for Cubase? Specifically I'm looking for something to manage the Roland R8/R8-M and U-220.... Ton Koelman koelman@issun3.stc.nl ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 14:00:34 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!rose.waterloo.edu!cjherborth @arizona.edu (Chris Herborth) Subject: Problems upgrading to 4M (was Re: SIMMS from a Mac SE into an ST?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep20.002033.3641@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes: }I don't think the older ST that are causing the Problem, the problem }MMU's where fitted to the later machines and have this Part No. C0 100109-001 } }So it could be a good idea to check over the wiring etc, and did you }fit the anty ring resistor ?, in the extra address line. Yep, we made _sure_ we had everything wired in properly before we started banging our heads against the desk... Is the MMU with No. C0 100109-001 the bad one, or a newer one? To restate my problem a little more clearly: I have an old 1040STf with 2.5M due to a Z*RAM upgrade. The Z*RAM has put 2M in bank 1, leaving bank 0 at .5M... I bought some SIMMs, my friend wired them in properly as a 2M bank 0, and it wouldn't work at all. So we took them to my friend's old 1040STf. He tried to wire them in as bank 0. Wouldn't work. So he wires them in as bank 1 (essentially giving him the same setup as me, but with SIMMs instead of a Z*RAM card) and it works properly. Neither of us could put 2M into bank 0. When the SIMMs were wired up in bank 0, we removed the top address line, essentially fooling the ST into thinking they were 256k SIMMs... We booted, and it thought it had 512k in bank 0, no problem. The SIMMs are fine, and our STs are fine. We assume it's some weird "feature" of an older MMU. Looking in his parts catalogue, we fine an ST/Mega MMU with part number X (I didn't write it down, and the book's at his house). A little later in the book, we find a Mega MMU, with a different part number. Has anyone gotten an old 1985 (whether stock or modified) 1040STf to take 4M or RAM? Should we spring for either of the new MMUs to see if that'll fix our problems? Should we start looking for a cheap Mega 4? ---------------=============================================--------------- Chris Herborth cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu 3B Hons English RPW cjherborth@lotus.waterloo.edu Disclaimer: This is your brain: "*" This is your brain on USENET: "."... ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 15:38:38 GMT From: mcsun!unido!opal!mami@uunet.uu.net (Manfred Mirsch) Subject: Problems with DC-RRUNREZ To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Grueazi everybody ! I recently downloaded the program DCRUNREZ.PRG from a.a. What I understood from their description is, that I can run any program no matter of the screen resolution my monitor has. So I tried it out and had no success. DCRUNREZ.PRG didn't run any program beside the one with the extension .PR3 which would mean to run it in high resolution. I have an STe and the normal SM124 mono monitor. Did I misunderstand anything ? Did anyone else succeed in working with this program meaning what did I wrong ? Ciao, Manfred ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 11:55:47 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!inmos!wraxall.inmos.co.uk!gary@uunet.uu.net (Gary Morton) Subject: Rumours from ST Format. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep19.150527.20769@newcastle.ac.uk> D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Johnson) writes: > > Having just read the 6 interesting pages in ST Format (some had to I >suppose), The rumour mill had the following: > > TT To Get Multitasking OS by Next Year. > Isn't this rather the same type of rumour as was flying about when the STe was about to be launched. All the magazines reported that the new STe was going to have features such as better graphics resolutions, 16MHz processor etc, (i.e. what the Atari user community wanted from the new machine), rather than what Atari was likely to put in the new machine. When we all saw what the enhancements to the STe actually were, I think most Atarians were disappointed. I feel that this disappointment was the start of the decline of the ST in the UK. From the magazine "guesses" about the new STe, I wouldn't be surprised if some people held back from buying a ST until the STe actually came out. When it didn't have the Amiga beating features it was expected to have they probably bought a different machine (a diplomatic description or what :-) ). I also felt that the time was rife for an upgraded ST machine, and perhaps if Atari had got the STe right (i.e with enhanced features that existing owners would want), then there might have been a lot of STe sales from exisining users wanting to upgrade. All the above IHMO of course. ;-) --Gary +---------------------------( Gary Morton )-----------------------------+ |Disclaimer: The opinions above are my own personal views etc. | |Inmos Ltd, 1000 Aztec West, Bristol, UK Email : gary@inmos.com | +-----------------------( +44 454 616616 X526 )-------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 14:13:14 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.ed u!ira.uka.de!ifistg!raichle@arizona.edu (Bernd Raichle) Subject: TeX, which do I get? (Now that I kno To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep16.135722.19575@netcom.COM> blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael Kistenmacher) writes some amusing things... ;-) > [..] Metafont [..] version 2.9 Sorry, there will never exists a MF version 2.9! It's now at 2.7 and the version number will convert to $e$. > >cs-tex: > > Christoph Strunk has ported full TeX 3.1 and Metafont 2.9 using Laser C > (As I remember). As I remember he has used GNU CC. > It's a complete set with a small but useful installation- > program. CS has made some arbitrary modifications to the TeX macros, so > that the output may look a bit different from original versions, Sorry again, he has made modifications to TeX macros (it's the `german.sty' macros) and he has modified the CM fonts!!!! Please: do not use these tfm-files, unpack the original tfm-files. They should be in a separate lharc archive called `tfm_ori.lzh'. It's also unnecessary to change the macros in `german.sty'. If the umlaut characters in your TeX output hang below the baseline, if you are using the original `german.sty'... .. it's *not* `german.sty', it's your incorrect dvi driver! > >passautex: > > I know of an Amiga version of TeX named PasTeX, this should be that one. It's a fault of the persons maintaining the `rusinfo' ftp archive. PasTeX (for the Amiga) and br-TeX (my version for the ST) uses the same sources for initex/virtex. -bernd _______________________________________________________________________ Bernd Raichle, DANTE Koordinator `german.sty' | "Le langage est source privat: Stettener Str. 73, D-W-7300 Esslingen | de malentendus" email: raichle@azu.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de | (A. de Saint-Exupery) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 14:41:58 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler) Subject: ULTIMATE ST SYSTEM FOR SALE (with additions)! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Serious ST system for sale: 1) Mega 2+2 (4 megs) with: a) AdSpeed (16mhz 68000) b) Overscan c) ISAAC Card (1024*768 Color/Mono high-Rez card, very nice, works with the Spectre GCR very well, as well as most ST software). d) BEST Power Supply (the ISAAC and Power supply are virtually brand new) e) Extra Shielding for the GCR f) TOS 1.4 g) Extra Internal fan to cool ISAAC (and everything else) h) Good mouse (Japan model, nice buttons) $1750 or best offer (ISAAC costs $600 alone) (NOTE: I would really like to sell this as a whole unit, I don't want to have to take it apart and take these mods out...) I will sell the ISAAC for $525 And the Mega listed above minus the ISAAC for $1300 2) Spectre GCR with ROMS! $350(obo) (They now go for $449 new, mail order) (drive works fine with shielding) 3) 50Megabyte, 28ms. ICD FAST Hard Drive [complete, under-the-monitor-style, settup, with cables, just plug it in ang go] $325(obo) 4) (Another) 50Meg 28ms. ICD FAST Hard Drive [just like above] $325(obo) 5) Migraph HandScanner and TouchUp $300(obo) 5) Mono Monitor, Good shape, $85(obo) 6) Good Track-Ball mouse, modified by myself to give FAR SUPERIOR mouse control than the original model (trust me) $25(obo) 7) Keyboard Extension cable (25feet) $5(obo) 8) SOFTWARE (all registered) (all listed below is "or best offer"): a) Calamus (if you want the SL upgrade cheap, buy this) $135 b) Calamus Outline $75 c) Calaums Font Editor $75 d) Neodesk 3.0 $40 e) Cherry Fonts Disks - Times and Garamond, $15 each f) Dungeon Master & Chaos Strikes Back, $10 each g) About 300 converted Calamus fonts, free with Hard Drive (either), or $100 with Calamus NOTE: The hard drives come with lots of PD and shareware on them. If you were to buy the whole system, you would also get my entire settup parameters, including Mac Partitions, system software etc... 9) ZOOM 2400 Baud modem, $55(obo) There may be a few things I'm forgetting... I'll pay shipping to anyone buying $350 worth of equipment or more. 10) 1024*768 Non-interlaced Multisynch monitor (for use with the ISAAC card). This is a low-end (the lowest end Non-interlaced I could get). It is reasonably good, but not as good as something like a NEC 4D. $350 11) MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL: This system comes with Support by me. No Warranty, but everything works perfect as of taday. If you are having problems with the system anytime during the first 6months, you can call me for help. Also, if you do need help after the first 6months, I will be available through E-Mail (here) for approximately another year... THIS OFFER IS ONLY GOOD IF YOU BUY MORE OR LESS THE WHOLE SYSTEM!! If you do buy the whole system, everything except the games, I'll take $100 off the total cost. Please call (614)-297-7967 and leave a message, or E-Mail me... || || || - David Butler (dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) || || || || || || H H RRRR [ High Resolution DTP ] || || || HHHH R R [ 1996 Summit St. Apt. B ] || || || H High RRRR [ Columbus, Ohio 43201 ] ||| || ||| R Resolution [ voice: (614)-297-7967 ] |||| || |||| R R [ BUSINESS CALLS ONLY ] - Desktop Publishing -[ For Free ST consulting ]- -(Just a little plug for my company)- -[ the Columbus Ohio area ]- -[ call Academic Computing ]- -[ Services, 9am - 5pm ]- -[ Monday - Friday at: ]- -[ (614)-292-2919 ]- ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 91 19:35:10 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard Covert) Subject: ULTIMATE ST SYSTEM FOR SALE (with additions)! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep20.144158.21003@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Butler) writes: >Serious ST system for sale: > >1) Mega 2+2 (4 megs) with: > > $1750 or best offer (ISAAC costs $600 alone) > || || || - David Butler (dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) Just out of curiousity, why would anyone spend almost $1800 on an old mega st? I mean it isn't even the Mega ST with the better graphics? And for a few bucks more you could buy a color TT or even better yet a color mac LC !! I mean selling old ST is real hard right now and especially high end machines like David's Mega. I should knowe I have a mega ST 2+2 with TOS 1.4, FAST TECH's T16 a 160 meg hard drive and both monitors. I doubt that I could get $1750 for it either!! Even thiough I have probably $3000 invested in it. So, I will just keepo my mega st and use it for games!! -- Richard E. 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